While biking through Leiden to visit Carmen, the sun set slowly. All kinds of nostalgic end-of-summer feelings came over me. Holding on to this magical feeling, I asked the producer and composer everything about her music, her creative process, her earliest beginnings, and her most recent works. Full of passion and knowledge, she took her time carefully explaining everything.

Can you introduce yourself?

I am a French-Canadian music producer and composer. I come from both Brazilian and French backgrounds, and I've been based in the Netherlands since 2015.

How did you get into making music? How did it all start?

When I was five years old, I watched a movie called Amadeus, which is about the life of Mozart. The film features some really beautiful excerpts from his work, and I found it incredibly inspiring. After watching it with my parents, I told them I wanted to be like Mozart. That’s when they got me into piano lessons, and I started playing and composing music from a very young age.

Were your parents musically inclined? What kind of music did they play at home?

Even before I was born, I was exposed to music. My mother used to sing in a choir while she was pregnant with me. Actually, that's where my name comes from—during some of their rehearsals, they were performing Carmina Burana, and my father liked the name Carmina. My mother preferred the name Carmen, which I think was a good call.

My father was a big music enthusiast. He would always have music playing, especially during breakfast. We listened to a wide variety of genres: classical, Brazilian, New Age, and French music. It was a nice mix of different styles.

You mentioned you’ve been playing piano since you were young. Did you play in a band, or mostly by yourself?

I mostly played by myself because I couldn’t find anyone to form a band with. I went to an all-girls school from the ages of five to sixteen, and I didn’t meet many other musicians. I studied in the piano department there, and I didn’t really reach out beyond that and played mostly by myself.

The piano is a great instrument to play solo! What kind of music were you playing at that age?

I played a lot of classical music. I was especially drawn to the Impressionist period, with composers like Maurice Ravel. He was my favourite composer.

So, you played a lot of classical music. By then, were you already thinking about composing or producing your own music?

Yes, I was already composing simple tunes when I was around six or seven years old. However, my teacher—a nun—wasn’t very encouraging when it came to composing. She was more focused on making sure we played existing music pieces. But on my own, I would often improvise and just mess around on the piano, which was really fun for me.

You’ve been involved in music for a long time. What more did you do during your school years?

I continued piano lessons until I was eighteen. I followed a classical curriculum, and on the side, I worked on small projects, making beats in FruityLoops and Reason (software).

At that time, I couldn’t really rely on the internet to teach me, so I tried everything out on my own. My work was pretty basic—I was just experimenting and having fun.

How would you describe the music you make now?

It’s a mix of electronic and contemporary classical music. For me, it feels like playful, nerdy electronica because it has a sense of humor and requires a lot of focus to listen to. There isn’t much repetition, and things develop quickly. It’s not exactly casual listening, but it might be for some people.

Do you produce everything yourself? Do you have a routine or process?

Yes, I produce everything myself. I don’t really have a routine, except during the mixing and mastering stages. Before that, I mostly just try different things. I like experimenting regularly

because there’s so much, I haven’t done yet—whether it’s composing in a new way or using new tools or instruments. I’ll develop something, then usually have doubts, so I pause, work on something else, come back, improve it, pause again, and keep going until it feels finished.

When do you know a track is done?

For my last (and first) record, I knew the tracks were done when they all sounded good together, in the context of the other tracks I had finished. In the meantime, I may have improved my skills, which I could apply to each track.

Once all the tracks were done, and I updated them based on each other, I compared them to reference tracks. When they held up well, I moved on to the mixing and mastering process.

I’ve listened to your music, especially your latest album (Happy Child). To me, it feels like an alternative reality—a large soundscape with surreal sounds that somehow fit together. What makes them fit?

It’s the sound. The sound signature and design tie everything together. There are different arrangement styles on the album, but they all share a common signature within the sound world that connects them.

What’s that signature?

It’s the brightness—a mix of synthesized and acoustic sounds that are generally bright. I use wind instruments, my voice, and some mallet instruments. There’s a kind of childlike vibe in the music. I don’t know how, but that’s where I tend to go when I’m just messing around and experimenting.

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Where did the title of your most recent work: 'Happy Child' come from?

It came from therapy. I was doing schema therapy, and when I started, I had to fill out a questionnaire that ranked different modes of myself. One of these was the “happy child” which is part of the inner child mode that helps us meet the need to play and have fun. In my case, this mode was very low, and the goal of my therapy was to raise my happy child—that was my homework. This inspired me, and that’s why I chose it as the album title.

Can you tell me more about this album? I listened to it on Bandcamp, and it already got a lot of nice comments and people adding it to their collection.

This was a laborious project. It took a long time to complete—at least six years from when I first started. I have a master's degree in composition, and I used to make a lot of classical scores. So, I arrived at electronic music a bit later, and I had to build up the experience to create electronic music. I had to learn sound design, production, and mixing along the way. I didn’t know what my musical identity was at first, and it took a long time to figure it out—an enormous amount of time, haha.

What do you mean? What took so long?

Just coming up with my own language and executing that. My musical language.

To release it after six years felt very liberating. It was a major moment for me, and I’m proud that I was able to finish that personal project in a way that felt satisfying.

With producing electronic music, do you use hardware or mostly software?

Mostly software, but I’ve recently gotten two analog synthesizers. For mixing and mastering, I use some analog units like compressors and equalizers, but during the composition process, it’s mostly software.

The way I come up with music is really traditional. I manually write everything in the sequencer in Ableton. But now, I’m trying to incorporate more randomness and generative processes. This only translates to a certain extent, though, because most of it is still handwritten. However, certain parameters can be managed in a more generative way. This randomness can be achieved by assigning certain parameters to behave in a specific way and fine-tune how unpredictable they are. There are also algorithmic tools you can use for drum patterns.

Does your personality or background resonate in your music a lot?

I think it does. There’s a sense of playfulness in my work that’s tied to humor. For me, humor is a way to present a sort of surrealism in how I sometimes perceive reality. It’s like how a stand-up comedian sheds light on reality from their own, stylized perspective. They make you laugh because you’re seeing things through their lens, and it gives you something to think about. I connect with that approach, even though what I do is very different.

In my music, I combine different references and bring them together. That’s my way of expressing a different perspective—my own perspective. It can be playful but still very serious.

I think I read something about a new conceptual direction? Can you tell me about that?

My first album requires a focused type of listening. There’s a lot of micro-editing and movement. Now, I’m thinking of creating something more casual—something you can listen to while having dinner with friends, without it being too distracting. It’s going to be a transition, but I still want to use my strengths and bring in new, interesting sound design. I’m starting with more minimalist concepts in mind, so there should be more repetition. We’ll see.

I’m getting better at synthesis and producing synthesized sounds. It was a weakness at first, but now I’m evolving in that area. There’s a chance I could do something very different from what I’m used to.

I also wanted to ask about your live performances. You’ve done quite a lot, and in many different places around the world, right?

On stage I bring a laptop and two MIDI controllers. I twist knobs, press buttons and that makes changes in my sound and triggers others. The live performances are a bit different than the album. The album has a lot of micro-editing, which is harder to perform live due to too many parameters changing quickly. So, I resample my tracks and apply new arrangements to those sounds. It stays in the same sound world but is expressed in a more danceable context at the moment.

I’m really looking forward to presenting a new live set. I want to show the audience the new things I’ve been working on.

Do you do any collaborations?

I do audiovisual shows with my partner, 3D artist Matthew Schoen, where he handles live visuals and I play the music. We both also collaborate with my sister Nathalie Vanderveken within our art collective Collectif Triangle, where we make whimsical animated music videos. Musically, I haven’t felt ready to collaborate yet because my creative process feels endless, and I don’t want to place the burden of my slow and indecisive workflow on others. I hope to collaborate in the future once I figure out how to work more efficiently.

What’s the best advice you can give, that has helped you in your music career?

Seek validation from yourself and not from others. It is a state of mind I try to achieve to be in. When I am working on something, I want to be proud and I want to be satisfied with the output. And when it is done, I stop caring about what other people think. For me that is a very helpful attitude. You can get lost in all those expectations.

Filled with joy and inspiration, I biked back home. The way Carmen talked about her work and vision made me see her music in a completely new and refreshing way. It made me an even bigger fan of her work and more excited about what she will release in the future.

Carmen’s website: https://carmenjacimusic.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/carmenjacimusic
Bandcamp: https://noumenalloom.bandcamp.com/album/happy-child
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/5hvEJlfyb8DCKRNIsCHSv3?si=vyq6b6a4TKSlOjDkkZhIMQ
Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/carmen-jaci